Maybe those are problems with the ideology, but its not with the people who believe it. I’ve met a lot of people who have very incoherent beliefs. Nobody bullied them and so they absorbed the sane beliefs of the group.
I really just don’t think exclusion or hostility are useful unless people are dangerous. A Nazi makes Jewish and gay members of a group scared. A tankie really doesn’t because 90% of the time they’re gay or trans.
Then I haven’t even gotten to how a lot of people join extremist ideologies because they are lonely and need friends. So when you combine that with how small scale local activism is, kicking safe useful people out of a group is just abusing the socially inept.
I am a queer person, and I am scared of tankies because they support the creation of an authoritarian state which is fundamentally incompatible with the ideas queer liberation and self-determination.
I’m all for communism. Every day is a new day for me to witness and live the horrors of capitalism. Hell, I got laid off a couple months ago and I may be facing homelessness soon. I could go on a tangent here but it’s very clear to me that we need a different system soon. But I don’t want to build a “fiscally leftists, socially conservative” society. I want it all left.
It’s not just that, they support existing regimes that are known to be queerphobic. China is having its own trans panic right now, and their government is contributing to it, so when people support states like that it’s not just that they don’t support queer liberation, but it seems like they specifically want queer people gone entirely. It seems like they agree with fascists when it comes to queer people.
I get you’re trying to make a big point here about China, but within the last 3 years they opened a multidisciplinary trans healthcare clinic in Beijing and additionally a well known TV host in the country is transgender and this is easily findable even within US new sources. It may still not be culturally fully accepted but I don’t see how the government is doing anything against us when they’re literally opening trans healthcare clinics. Hell there were trans expat teachers who used to move to China for teaching before the changes in education laws for expat teacher licensing.
The US and UK are also opening more trans healthcare clinics, and I don’t think any reasonable person would argue that these countries don’t have trans panics, or the the governments aren’t capitulating. So, the existence of trans healthcare clinics doesn’t really go against what I’m saying. The same goes for whether a single TV host is trans.
But as for whether the government is doing anything against us… they literally are. Just last year, the government cracked down on the sale of HRT drugs. This matters especially in China because of the severe legal barriers on every stage of medical transition. When it comes to being prescribed HRT drugs, you are required to undergo psychological intervention, have no criminal record, and have parental consent (even if they’re an adult).
This is exactly what I’m referring to when I say the government is capitulating to a trans panic, a phenomenon that you can’t so easily separate from social climate and cultural attitudes.
I recommend you see what Chinese trans activists are saying on this, because they say that the government is increasingly cracking down on their activities, they’re getting erased from both official and unofficial media, social media is increasingly taking down trans accounts, and the idea of trans people being a “social contagion” is becoming increasingly popular among nationalists. In general, I would trust queer activists over any other group on this one.
Named after a literal weapon of war, that serve no function except to kill people. It doesn’t till fields for crops to feed people, it doesn’t really even serve as a transport except for transporting it’s own crew to whoever they are going to shoot or crush
And then the whining:
“How come you don’t feel safe around us???”
There is nothing about the core ideology of Marxism Leninism that is opposed to queer rights. Actually there are a lot of queer people in the community at large who are communist and findable on YouTube or Lemmy. I’m one of them.
I’m not here to teach everything and I trust you know enough to be able to look up more as you wish. If you want an example of an ML nation that is pro queer look up the Cuba Family Code changes made recently. They’re among the most progressive in the world and help to guarente rights for trans people, lgbt, and more. Additionally China has a large trans healthcare clinic first of its kind recently opened in Beijing and a well known trans TV host. Vietnam also has a vibrant lgbt community and even in North Korea homosexuality and cross dressing to my research are not criminalized despite lacking public interest/support.
The days of old are over and new communist nations can and are doing better to ditch reactionary tendencies especially around queer rights.
The common thread of ‘authoritarian’ countries isn’t communism or fascism. It’s having significant opposition. Almost always from the US.
No Communist supports suppression of dissent. It’s a countermeasure to foreign interference. It doesn’t exist because tankes feel like authoritarian states work better but because the US has an extensive and well known track record of breaking international sovereignty laws and installing fascist regimes by force.
Communists didn’t want to be slaughtered for wanting to abolish poverty. Therefore every real life communist is a tankie, either because they understood that class war is war or because they’re buried under capitalist soil.
This suppression of opposition doesn’t have ideological basis. It’s an emergency measure in a time of war. Hence why even every CAPITALIST country opposed to US interests is ‘authoritarian’.
Join the stupid phone meetings any American Communist party has. You will see that a strongly disproportionate amount are gay or trans. I’m gay and nonbinary. My husband is gay. Half my local Communists are lgbt. Leftists in general are often lgbt.
Tankies tend to be social outcasts and so do lgbt people. That might be part of the connection.
Maybe those are problems with the ideology, but its not with the people who believe it. I’ve met a lot of people who have very incoherent beliefs. Nobody bullied them and so they absorbed the sane beliefs of the group.
I really just don’t think exclusion or hostility are useful unless people are dangerous. A Nazi makes Jewish and gay members of a group scared. A tankie really doesn’t because 90% of the time they’re gay or trans.
Then I haven’t even gotten to how a lot of people join extremist ideologies because they are lonely and need friends. So when you combine that with how small scale local activism is, kicking safe useful people out of a group is just abusing the socially inept.
I am a queer person, and I am scared of tankies because they support the creation of an authoritarian state which is fundamentally incompatible with the ideas queer liberation and self-determination.
I’m all for communism. Every day is a new day for me to witness and live the horrors of capitalism. Hell, I got laid off a couple months ago and I may be facing homelessness soon. I could go on a tangent here but it’s very clear to me that we need a different system soon. But I don’t want to build a “fiscally leftists, socially conservative” society. I want it all left.
It’s not just that, they support existing regimes that are known to be queerphobic. China is having its own trans panic right now, and their government is contributing to it, so when people support states like that it’s not just that they don’t support queer liberation, but it seems like they specifically want queer people gone entirely. It seems like they agree with fascists when it comes to queer people.
I get you’re trying to make a big point here about China, but within the last 3 years they opened a multidisciplinary trans healthcare clinic in Beijing and additionally a well known TV host in the country is transgender and this is easily findable even within US new sources. It may still not be culturally fully accepted but I don’t see how the government is doing anything against us when they’re literally opening trans healthcare clinics. Hell there were trans expat teachers who used to move to China for teaching before the changes in education laws for expat teacher licensing.
The US and UK are also opening more trans healthcare clinics, and I don’t think any reasonable person would argue that these countries don’t have trans panics, or the the governments aren’t capitulating. So, the existence of trans healthcare clinics doesn’t really go against what I’m saying. The same goes for whether a single TV host is trans.
But as for whether the government is doing anything against us… they literally are. Just last year, the government cracked down on the sale of HRT drugs. This matters especially in China because of the severe legal barriers on every stage of medical transition. When it comes to being prescribed HRT drugs, you are required to undergo psychological intervention, have no criminal record, and have parental consent (even if they’re an adult).
This is exactly what I’m referring to when I say the government is capitulating to a trans panic, a phenomenon that you can’t so easily separate from social climate and cultural attitudes.
I recommend you see what Chinese trans activists are saying on this, because they say that the government is increasingly cracking down on their activities, they’re getting erased from both official and unofficial media, social media is increasingly taking down trans accounts, and the idea of trans people being a “social contagion” is becoming increasingly popular among nationalists. In general, I would trust queer activists over any other group on this one.
Named after a literal weapon of war, that serve no function except to kill people. It doesn’t till fields for crops to feed people, it doesn’t really even serve as a transport except for transporting it’s own crew to whoever they are going to shoot or crush
And then the whining: “How come you don’t feel safe around us???”
Gee I don’t know
There is nothing about the core ideology of Marxism Leninism that is opposed to queer rights. Actually there are a lot of queer people in the community at large who are communist and findable on YouTube or Lemmy. I’m one of them.
I’m not here to teach everything and I trust you know enough to be able to look up more as you wish. If you want an example of an ML nation that is pro queer look up the Cuba Family Code changes made recently. They’re among the most progressive in the world and help to guarente rights for trans people, lgbt, and more. Additionally China has a large trans healthcare clinic first of its kind recently opened in Beijing and a well known trans TV host. Vietnam also has a vibrant lgbt community and even in North Korea homosexuality and cross dressing to my research are not criminalized despite lacking public interest/support.
The days of old are over and new communist nations can and are doing better to ditch reactionary tendencies especially around queer rights.
The common thread of ‘authoritarian’ countries isn’t communism or fascism. It’s having significant opposition. Almost always from the US.
No Communist supports suppression of dissent. It’s a countermeasure to foreign interference. It doesn’t exist because tankes feel like authoritarian states work better but because the US has an extensive and well known track record of breaking international sovereignty laws and installing fascist regimes by force.
Communists didn’t want to be slaughtered for wanting to abolish poverty. Therefore every real life communist is a tankie, either because they understood that class war is war or because they’re buried under capitalist soil.
This suppression of opposition doesn’t have ideological basis. It’s an emergency measure in a time of war. Hence why even every CAPITALIST country opposed to US interests is ‘authoritarian’.
citation needed
Join the stupid phone meetings any American Communist party has. You will see that a strongly disproportionate amount are gay or trans. I’m gay and nonbinary. My husband is gay. Half my local Communists are lgbt. Leftists in general are often lgbt.
Tankies tend to be social outcasts and so do lgbt people. That might be part of the connection.