It’s already established in Portal that energy can be created by changing elevation with portals. If the other portal is on the back of the train, you’d just fall out because you’d be shooting backwards at a speed that cancels out the speed of the back portal. If that portal were just sitting stationary you’d have to fly out at the speed you went in. The puzzle comes from people trying to apply ordinary physics to something that deliberately breaks them.
Exactly how fast do you think the people exit that portal? Train speed, less than train speed? What slows them down after they exit? If you blocked the stationary portal would you get hit by the people? If so, what force would cause that?
The people may be stationary relative to the area outside the first portal, but they already have velocity relative to the world outside the exit even before they go through
If there were no people on the track and you blocked the stationary portal, would you feel wind on your face?
Zero fast. There is no energy being transferred to the people, they would plop out and push into each other as they are forced through.
If you blocked the stationary portal then the portal moving would essentially just be a wall, no one would go though.
This whole relative thing makes no sense, energy isn’t just created because it’s observed by someone else, the door is moving not the people so them sitting there won’t suddenly be catapulted going through a moving portal, where is that energy created?
No, the dude is right - if they’re moving “zero fast” upon exiting the portal, then that means they’re either a 2 dimensional paste on the surface of the portal (dead), or they were entirely transported upon contact (cannot partially enter a portal) which is explicitly not how the portals in the game work.
This is because: if your hand goes into the portal and appears on the other side, it must move out of the way to make room for your arm. Because it is moving, it has velocity, which means it has momentum.
If it doesn’t move out of the way, then you’re now 2 dimensional, and dead.
Also, in portal, energy is absolutely created. Every time you portal to a higher place, you gain potential energy that you didn’t have before, without losing any of the other kinds of energy that you had.
It’s already established in Portal that energy can be created by changing elevation with portals. If the other portal is on the back of the train, you’d just fall out because you’d be shooting backwards at a speed that cancels out the speed of the back portal. If that portal were just sitting stationary you’d have to fly out at the speed you went in. The puzzle comes from people trying to apply ordinary physics to something that deliberately breaks them.
No energy is every transferred as a result of a portal
You fly in the air if you drop in one because you are carrying momentum downwards that suddenly translates to upwards
You are sat in the floor, a portal flies towards you. You are sat at the floor at the end, you had no momentum going in and no momentum going out
Exactly how fast do you think the people exit that portal? Train speed, less than train speed? What slows them down after they exit? If you blocked the stationary portal would you get hit by the people? If so, what force would cause that?
The people may be stationary relative to the area outside the first portal, but they already have velocity relative to the world outside the exit even before they go through
If there were no people on the track and you blocked the stationary portal, would you feel wind on your face?
Zero fast. There is no energy being transferred to the people, they would plop out and push into each other as they are forced through.
If you blocked the stationary portal then the portal moving would essentially just be a wall, no one would go though.
This whole relative thing makes no sense, energy isn’t just created because it’s observed by someone else, the door is moving not the people so them sitting there won’t suddenly be catapulted going through a moving portal, where is that energy created?
Your wind question is confusing.
No, the dude is right - if they’re moving “zero fast” upon exiting the portal, then that means they’re either a 2 dimensional paste on the surface of the portal (dead), or they were entirely transported upon contact (cannot partially enter a portal) which is explicitly not how the portals in the game work.
This is because: if your hand goes into the portal and appears on the other side, it must move out of the way to make room for your arm. Because it is moving, it has velocity, which means it has momentum. If it doesn’t move out of the way, then you’re now 2 dimensional, and dead.
Also, in portal, energy is absolutely created. Every time you portal to a higher place, you gain potential energy that you didn’t have before, without losing any of the other kinds of energy that you had.