Oh shut up, ecars cause less environmental damage than normal cars by far. Yes they require lithium. The lithium required doesn’t get close to the damage of 300k miles worth of gas.
“but power plants burn coal for that electricity”
Not mine. I live in portland and have signed up for 100% renewable power. That’s a your-city problem. You should work on that.
I think you’re arguing points that weren’t made.
Individually owned automobiles and the systems required to support them are wasteful and polluting no matter how you power them.
Electric cars are better, yes. But their popularity is in a large part because they allow us to mostly maintain the status quo.
Do you think they are a sustainable long-term solution? Should we be planning our future around paved roads made almost exclusively for personally owned mostly single-occupant vehicles?
It’s two months later and I’ve done a 180 on this opinion and went from “fuck gas cars” to “fuck all cars”.
The car infrastructure is the shitty part, not so much the cars
@corm @1993_toyota_camry Sort of? All cars ruin our lives. But gas cars also ruin the planet, where electric are substially better now and will be almost carbon free in 30 years or so. Getting rid of cars in general is very desirable, but getting rid of gas cars is an existential necessity.
Still cars 🤷
Electric cars help pollution like filtered cigarettes help smoker health. It’s a tangible improvement, but on the grand scale of things it’s not a significant improvement.
There are many studies that show that replacing all gas cars with electric cars won’t come close to reduction of carbon emissions needed on transportaion fields.
Morever they have all the problems that cars have:
- weight inefficent: 1 or 2 tons to move 1 80 kg person
- space inefficent: to move one person you need one parking spot at home, one at the job, one at the grocery store…
- dangerous: car crashes are the main cause of death among younger ages. Electric cars are heavier, so they are more dangerous.
- huge infrastructure needed: to move cars you need highways, which are many times less efficient from a area point if view that any other mide of transportation.
- expensive infrastructure to build and mantain. Riad manteunance drll the worst kind of holes in public funding. Electric cars weight more, making this issue worse
- Car oriented development is ugly and inefficent. You can’t have both a nice neighborhood and enough car parking space,
- Cars are terribly expensive to buy and mantain
Forse sure I’m forgetting quite a lot of things
US EPA isn’t trustworthy
Argue against the points not the name on it that you don’t like
As much as I hate cars, removing them is only possible inside cities. North America has a very large rural area(and population) that needs to be converted away from fossil fuels.
Maybe yes, but a large part of society at least in America and Europe live in cities or suburbs, where cars are just bs
trains
Trains are not financially viable for rural areas.
Cars are not ecologically viable for life to continue on planet earth
That’s a pretty shit argument. Humans are not ecologically viable for life to continue on planet earth at our current population, even if we remove all cars.
Yeah no, that’s Malthusian shit you’re arguing. It’s not equivalent to degrowth
Yea no what? We are already setting population targets via immigration right now, the question is about what the target should be (and why) not whether or not to do it.
To do what? Limit immigration so that poor ppl from countries we immiserated, exploited, and put in danger of climate collapse from our overconsumption can die? Sounds like nazi shit to me
That is just not true.
Yes it is. We hunted multiple animals to extinction and poisoned vast stretches of land long before the industrial revolution, we didn’t need cars to be assholes to nature.
North America has a large suburban population. The rural population is almost entirely dependent on fossil fuels for the near future because of infrastructure scarcity and the energy density of fossil fuels.
Sigh…I own an EV and I will tell you that my reasons for buying it are less environmental and more practical. Not having to go to a gas station (charge at home) or how I literally have way more power than I need or that it’s just fun to drive. You can shit on EVs, but in all reality they are a superior car if you don’t get hung up on the fuel. I want to be better about the environment, but honestly, my EV is hands down my all time favorite car (and it’s not a Tesla). So before you mock em, go test drive a few.
A “superior car” is still a fucking car
What about electric buses or trolley buses? Are there also only to save the car industry?
Please post links, not screenshots of content
Thanks, will keep that in mind
I actually like the laziness of just images. Links for extra context and source are always appreciated though
It’s not the best solution, but it’s better than the internal combustion engine. Obviously bicycles and walking is the ideal solution to transportation short range, while electric or other clean energy options are the way to go for long haul trips of large groups of people and goods.
Sure they are better, but still cars
Capitalism forever!
Wooooooo
