I hate trying to shove everything I buy at IKEA into my small car. All those flat packs just don’t fit in a small hatch back. If IKEA was closer, i could make several trips, but no, jam the car full, strap things to the roof, and figure the next time, I may have a different car.
Otherwise, flat packs have their uses, I couldn’t fit three billi shelves in my car otherwise.
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Definitely hear you there, but wrong flatpak 😉
We’re talking about Linux package formats every second day here. Let’s today talk about IKEA. I like it.
It could have been the bluey episode “flat pack”, quite an awesome episode on it’s own.
I kind of figured it was some standard or some such, but on a generic ask community, who knows? (It Needed a link, or context)
Agreed - and Bluey rocks!
No no, they’re on to something.
I was going to comment the opposite - you full your house with furniture that fit in your car in flat pack form, but when you come to move, none of it fits any more!
Nice try Mark, still not gonna use Snap
whats bad about snap in comparison (not trying to be sarcastic, im just uninformed)
i’m not informed much either, but here’s what i gather; it’s centralized around the proprietary Snap Store and you can’t run your own Snap repositories, Snap apps take ages to start up, and each Snap app is mounted as a separate partition (???). there’s a whole bunch of technical issues that go over my head too, and Snaps have seen so little adoption that Canonical basically had to twist the arms of flavor maintainers to drop Flatpak support and support Snap out of the box. it’s evidently so bad even Ubuntu’s official flavors wouldn’t support it until Canonical forced them to
howd canonical force them / they dropped support of flatpak tf?! i get canonicals a private company that needs to make money but thats so heavily ironic for people whove built what they have on fossware
They don’t automatically theme along with the system.
Except when they do, of course :p I am not familiar with what allows them to follow themes but inconsistently.
IKEA is usually very good, but there is a lot of cheaper stuff at other stores where holes aren’t lined up correctly or the fasteners are cheap and easy to damage. I have had some build issues with IKEA too, usually really inexpensive stuff like a dining room chair, but it is uncommon.
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Technically right, though. OP didn’t specify we’re talking about Linux here. And the way IKEA does it works quite well. At least for me. And they’re nice and give you spare parts if you need them.
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So I got my complete kitchen from them, excluding the basin, the electrical devices and the countertop. And a 3m PAX wardrobe. Half of the kitchen moved with us and we got the rest delivered. The two men were crazy ‘animals’ who got the tons of laminated wood into the house in no time. It took us about 3 days to assemble it all. And I’m really satisfied with everything. Especially all the drawers we got for the kitchen are awesome. No bending down and rummaging in kitchen cabinets any more…
100% can recommend. Quality is better than most cheap kitchens I sometimes see at other people’s places. But it’s probably not top-of-the notch either. But I’m sure it’ll last for quite some time.
(Disclaimer: I’m German. We (more often than not) don’t get the kitchen provided by the landlord.)
flatpack is IKEA stuff. Flatpak is Linux stuff.
Running them from the command line isn’t easy, so it’s not really used for command line tools. This is the one and only upside to snaps.
I figured it out but it’s still finicky
- “flatpak enter”
- for qalculate, the default operation is to open the gui, but the CLI can be opened with
flatpak run --command=qalc io.github.Qalculate.qalculate-qt-defaults -nocurrencies -f "script_name.qalc" -i -t
Filesystem permissions
For many apps it is not an issue and provides additional security but in other cases it’s very annoying and not trivial to fix.
Example1: opening a .docx from Thunderbird flatpak with OnlyOffice flatpak does not work out of the box.
Example2: mpv and VLC flatpaks work well for local files, but fail to open network shares from Dolphin.
I think a possible solution would be runtime permission dialogs when denied access.
- needless sandobxing (by default flatpaks can access your filesystem but not mounted folders, how is that secure and not jist inconvenient?)
- yet another application manager not even well integrated into operating systems (linux mint doesn’t update flatpaks by default)
- applications are usually not updated very often, not sure if that’s a systemic problem or just laziness
- application X that is 50MB stabdalone requires 2GB to install and takes 3GB of space because it requires the entirety of gnome libraries. Application Y also requires 3GB because they use KDE or another version of gnome
Application Z requires another 3GB because it needs Gnome runtime version X+1, not version X. Although I do believe Flatpak does some kind of reduplication so actual used space is somewhat less.
It’s also less of a problem if you flatpak all the apps vs having just a handful. The more apps the better chance they’re actually sharing runtimes.
Flatpak updates are handled very smoothly by KDE Discover, I always assumed Gnome Software did the same, so no additional package manager required.
Despite the few downsides Flatpak is still wonderful. As a Kubuntu user it’s nice to say Farewell random PPAs whenever there’s a need for an actual newish version of an application
wjays a mountded folder
They take up too much space. Considering that you need to install flatpak versions of stuff that you already have on your system, this makes 200MB applications take up like 800MB or smth.
One issue that isn’t mentioned is that it removes distro-specific considerations and modifications from the process. A major point of Linux is to have a repo specific to your distro and that repo represents the needs and desires of the people who use that distro. Flatpak removes all of that and it’s a shame.
Can’t get them to run on Windows.
It’s a feature \s
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whats a transactional package manager and wjats the snow package manager (/ can i use jt on limux mint when it comes out)
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