Guys, could you just stop buying Apple crap? They are just another big company that will do anything to make money, no matter how much they are already making. They don’t care about consumers’ rights and would probably rather they were done away with. Giving Apple money is just giving the big bully money.
I just bought a MacBook because I’ve been trying to do Linux for work but there are some things that just don’t work and I’m not interested in Windows. I’m turning into an Apple bro, someone help me.
That’s a cop out. If you make no effort, then of course nothing will change. You can look for brands that try to be ethical like FairPhone or Fair Trade brands. If all you do keep buying from the biggest, baddest brands out there, well, you’re part of the problem. They wouldn’t be rich without people like you.
There are no “good” brands under capitalism. The issue is not of the moral failing of individual companies. We can’t solve the issues of capitalism by “consuming” right.
You think fairphone have no slave-labour rare-earth metals in them?
It doesn’t matter if they are “bad” or not bro. The issue is the system. And it’s not a matter of morality. I don’t give a fuck if it’s “evil” or “good”. Even in a perfect capitalist world where all companies were “fair”something, we would still be destroying the planet with climate change and exploiting the labour of people in the third-world.
And who cares about “perfect”? I only care about meaningful change that helps not destroy the planet. Buying a fairphone is not it.
The only thing that will help is a fucking revolution. So the BEST thing any of us can do is to radicalise those around us and organize.
I think that is a useless mental model. It doesn’t help you make decisions except those that lead to revolution. The person you’re replying to is trying to point that out. If I want to buy a phone, which should I buy? Your rhetoric says “whichever one will lead to revolution”, which really isn’t helpful.
The only thing that will help is a fucking revolution. So the BEST thing any of us can do is to radicalise those around us and organize.
First you need to know what kind of a system you’d want. Second, revolution is a big big goal. Small steps.
I only care about meaningful change that helps not destroy the planet. Buying a fairphone is not it.
And buying Apple is? Fairphone is trying to do something good. Their entire goal is to try to do good. Apple is just out here making fat stacks with “good” being more stacks. They pretend they’re pro-privacy, pro-climate, pro-whatever, but it’s all bullshit.
Every company you can buy a smartphone from is “another big company that will do anything to make money, no matter how much they’re already making.” This is an issue with capitalism, not just inherently Apple. Don’t fault people for using the tool that works best for what they’re doing.
I can and will fault them. Not every company you can buy a smartphone from is big. FairPhone exists, Murena exists, and if you look around you’ll probably find more.
And even if you absolutely have to buy from a big brand, there’s no need to give that money to the richest company on the planet.
Guys, could you just stop buying Apple crap? They are just another big company that will do anything to make money, no matter how much they are already making. They don’t care about consumers’ rights and would probably rather they were done away with. Giving Apple money is just giving the big bully money.
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I just bought a MacBook because I’ve been trying to do Linux for work but there are some things that just don’t work and I’m not interested in Windows. I’m turning into an Apple bro, someone help me.
It really doesn’t matter… there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Just use what’s more practical or better in any way for you.
That’s a cop out. If you make no effort, then of course nothing will change. You can look for brands that try to be ethical like FairPhone or Fair Trade brands. If all you do keep buying from the biggest, baddest brands out there, well, you’re part of the problem. They wouldn’t be rich without people like you.
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There are no “good” brands under capitalism. The issue is not of the moral failing of individual companies. We can’t solve the issues of capitalism by “consuming” right.
You think fairphone have no slave-labour rare-earth metals in them?
Riddle me this: can flawed being create a perfect system?
Also, is your “solution” to living in an evil, capitalistic society being a consumer of the biggest capitalistic brands?
Everything is black and white? There’s no in-between? Fairphone is thus as bad as Apple?
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It doesn’t matter if they are “bad” or not bro. The issue is the system. And it’s not a matter of morality. I don’t give a fuck if it’s “evil” or “good”. Even in a perfect capitalist world where all companies were “fair”something, we would still be destroying the planet with climate change and exploiting the labour of people in the third-world.
And who cares about “perfect”? I only care about meaningful change that helps not destroy the planet. Buying a fairphone is not it.
The only thing that will help is a fucking revolution. So the BEST thing any of us can do is to radicalise those around us and organize.
I think that is a useless mental model. It doesn’t help you make decisions except those that lead to revolution. The person you’re replying to is trying to point that out. If I want to buy a phone, which should I buy? Your rhetoric says “whichever one will lead to revolution”, which really isn’t helpful.
First you need to know what kind of a system you’d want. Second, revolution is a big big goal. Small steps.
And buying Apple is? Fairphone is trying to do something good. Their entire goal is to try to do good. Apple is just out here making fat stacks with “good” being more stacks. They pretend they’re pro-privacy, pro-climate, pro-whatever, but it’s all bullshit.
CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
Every company you can buy a smartphone from is “another big company that will do anything to make money, no matter how much they’re already making.” This is an issue with capitalism, not just inherently Apple. Don’t fault people for using the tool that works best for what they’re doing.
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I can and will fault them. Not every company you can buy a smartphone from is big. FairPhone exists, Murena exists, and if you look around you’ll probably find more.
And even if you absolutely have to buy from a big brand, there’s no need to give that money to the richest company on the planet.
CC BY-NC-SA 4.0