My subrsiption with surfshark is ending soon and I was wondering if there was something better around the same price. There are a lot of ads about many VPNs but a lot of them don’t look so “safe and private” as they want you to think so it’s hard to really figure it out. I don’t want to spend too much since I don’t use them very often but I kinda like the “change catalog of netflix” thing and to be safe while doing some “”“”“”“shady”“”“”" stuff
Afaik Proton only logs stuff and gives that to the feds if and after they get a coord order from the Swiss juristiction, in which case any provider would have to do that or they’ll be the one taken offline with criminal charges instead. I recall Proton even being quite firm in requiring that order before doing so.
So basically, don’t do criminal stuff and you’ll be fine. Or at least, don’t rely soley on a VPN to hide your criminal stuff 🙃.
As far as the free tiers of their services, they have the same policies but are much more limited. Pretty sure they just pay them from paying users, and use them in hope people trying it become paying users. While it’s good to be wary of any free service, especially but not limited to VPNs, I don’t think Proton specifically is an issue.
Personally, I’ll also be wary for anything that’s promoting a lot trough influencers and social media btw. Similar to free services, it’s often a sign they’re not that trustworthy and upstanding.
VPNs are for “illegal stuff.” Namely piracy. That and monotoring of your digital things can be done in connection with real world “crimes” like drug use or activism, see: that aforementioned French activist. :upsidedownface:
That may be, but the only confirmation I have of this is your assumption, which is hardly confirmation at all, unless you own Proton.
True, though word of mouth has to come from somewhere, and I’d rather trust a guy with a legit article (hopefully one that says “IVPN servers raided, nothing found”) than “GeekFeed’s top 10 ‘no log’ VPNs 2023 1. Nord 2. ExpressVPN ad that looks like it’ll give me CyberGonorrhea 3. Proton…” Those podcast ad VPNs may be fine to trust for a shaver or some undies but I’m not using my VPN to watch Japanese Netflix, I’m sharing copywritten material in a country that frowns upon such actions.
You may just luck into the sale though, because they may be the one I trust most out of my 2-3 whole options all said and done. I’ll make sure to pass on your u-name so you get commission if I do. Like I said though I may just go VPS once I really look into all that, I’m sick of these companies’ bullshit.
No, VPNs aren’t for piracy, or criminal stuff. They technically aren’t even for hiding your real IP. They are for connecting devices over the public network while mimicing the security of a private one, something useful for companies who need to work remotely and some other similar use-cases. It’s usage for criminal stuff, getting around region locks, and all that stuff isn’t it’s intended purpose, but secondary purposes it turned out useful for due to the side-effects.
The fact you use a third party instead of setting up a VPN server yourself like you’d do with it’s intended purpose, means that you are giving all your internet traffic to that third party. That in and of itself already creates an extra weakness. And if you do use your own server, then that server might be traceable to you instead.
Even when using a VPN for privacy, to hide your identity on the web, that doesn’t mean you use it for criminal activities. Wanting privacy and secure systems isn’t neccesarily linked to participating in criminal activities. People who use a VPN just for privacy, are well off with a provider that doesn’t log unless a coord order is received.
People who focus on criminal activities. To be honest trusting on a VPN alone to keep you save from law enforcement is just stupid. There are too many weaknesses related to VPNs that could easily give you away if they really want to find you, even outside of the provider. They simply aren’t made for that, and not as bullet proof as people think. While they are very useful for privacy usage and many of it’s risks can be mitigated, it takes more than turn it on and you’ll be private. Trusting that a VPN alone will keep you safe is foolish in todays age.
As for Proton not logging until they’ve got a court order. You don’t have to assume it from me, a quick online search shows the policies at Proton as well as results of how they handled earlier court cases. Cases where authorities wanted earlier data and Proton couldn’t comply because they didn’t have it, and cases where they logged data they refused to do so until thry received a court order. I say results to legal cases are the best proof there is. I’d take actual trackrecord over any article, no matter what “legit guy” wrote it. Also, I’ve never said a thing about those sketchy top10 lists thingies, they’re as bad and untrustworthy as influencer sponsorships imho. I would trust neither.
I’m not affiliated with Proton, so I have no clue what you’re talking about regarding that sale paragraph…