• 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
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    9 months ago

    They want to side load unsigned code that didn’t go through any Apple validation without going through the App store at all.

    Yes I do. And it’s insane that you’re trying to make this out as a bad thing. So many open-source developers that don’t want to make an iOS app because the only realistic way to distribute it is by paying Apple $100 per year. And when I mess around with app dev again I don’t want to have to resign it every week just to be able to continue using it.

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      9 months ago

      It’s insane that you don’t see how this will affect the actual majority of Apple users and not the extremely minimal use-case of open source devs.

      And seriously, if your open source app isn’t worth $100 to you or it’s users, maybe it’s not worth destroying the IOS ecosystem that people rely on?

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        Normal users are unaffected. Completely. A hundred percent.

        People on Android don’t know they have this option at all (how many people are not using the play store?).

        But sure, your ecosystem is going to be destroyed because a kid wants to try developing angry birds on his phone.

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          Kids already can do that for free. An non-profit open source devs can already get their fee waived so none of your arguments hold up in the current world we live in.

          And you are wrong on the other side. I switched from Android to iOS when Amazon decided to launch their app store. I don’t want that horrible cludgey experience and neither do actual iOS users.

          The reason this didn’t take off is because nobody pays for android apps. You would have to be naive as hell to believe that there won’t be many app stores and many malicious apps as a result of this change which will affect the actual users.

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            Having to pay a fee and then hope to have it waved is very different from what I’m saying. What about that hypothetical kid I mentioned, if his parents don’t care about paying that fee? Or if he doesn’t run macos?

            And yes there would be malicious apps, that no one would ever install unless they wanted to.

            Both of those have, again, absolutely zero impact on virtually the entire ecosystem and its users. The expections being the people actively looking to leave the garden.

            So, I’ll ask again, do you have any actual argument to defend apple’s policies?

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              I probably shouldn’t engage you because everything you’re saying is complete and utter ignorant nonsense but I’ll try…

              There’s a free developer account option and has been for a very very long time. It has limits but the kid already has the option you are asking for as does literally everybody. If you want to learn how to make and to be able to sideload an app as a dev to your device, that is free now.

              Non profits get the fee waived. They don’t have to pay it up front either. They have to apply. But again, if you can’t get your users to pay $100 you should rethink if you should destroy the ecosystem for everyone else for something nobody wants.

              Your malicious apps comment also makes it clear that you do not know any people older than 12.

              My parents will likely be affected by this and they are relatively with it with respect to technology compared to most.

              People will install malicious apps accidentally or unknowingly and Epic Games’ store or the Tik Tok ten cent app store will likely be rife with those apps that people will assume are safe because they were promised a safe ecosystem that you are trying to ruin to get things that already exist!

              The privacy and safety of the App store is unparalleled and it is literally the thing we pay extra for our phones to have.

              You want to destroy that for unfounded reasons.