It’s involuntary action. Not something you choose to do.
The title is essentially an argument against free will. The illusion that you could have done otherwise. Waking up early out of habit is no indication of free will to me.
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Open to reconsider my views in light of good-faith counter-arguments but also willing to defend what’s right, even when it’s unpopular. My goal is to engage in dialogue that seeks truth rather than scoring points.
It’s involuntary action. Not something you choose to do.
The title is essentially an argument against free will. The illusion that you could have done otherwise. Waking up early out of habit is no indication of free will to me.
To have a strong feeling to have (something); wish (to possess or do something); desire greatly: synonym: desire.
Pick any dictionary definition for it.
Well I can’t think of a voluntary action that people do for any other reason than either wanting to do it or having to do it. That’s the point of the post. Every example I have been given so far is either of those two. It feels like we’re free do to what ever, but in reality we’re only free to do what we want and nobody picked their wants.
Nobody is forcing me to reply to this message. I do it because I want to. If I didn’t want to I wouldn’t but I also don’t know why I enjoy having these debates. I didn’t choose to enjoy it, I just do.
Just give me an example of something you do or could do that you don’t have to but also don’t want to. I don’t think you can. You’re not free to do that.
By have to I mean obligations. You’ve got a meeting at noon, you have to be there. You may not want to, but you have to.
By want I mean every other voluntary action. You’re thirsty and you open the fridge. There’s milk, water and orange juice. Say you grab the orange juice. You did that because you wanted it. To say that you could have chosen milk or water isn’t true. You didn’t want those, you wanted orange juice. If you rewind the clock and open the fridge again you’d still want the orange juice. In that moment you can’t do other than what you want. You can’t choose to not want it. It may be than in a few years you no longer like orange juice so in thay sense your wants may change but then and there in that moment you can’t act against it.
Even if you decide against your preferences to prove a point you’d still be acting according to your wants; you want to prove me wrong and thus you grab the water. That’s still doing what you wanted to do.
I’m sure that’s true in some cases, but I wouldn’t generalize it as the explanation for most incel’s situations that they simply had too unrealistic standards
Your typical incel is that quiet guy in school with bad skin, plain clothes, and oily hair, whose only friends were the other outcasts. Like everyone else, they just wanted a normal relationship with a normal woman. It’s the repeated failure to form those relationships that leads to the resentment and anger we now see. They weren’t always like that. The bitterness and hatred is a coping mechanism for their situation, not the cause of it.
I think you’re being a bit unfair there. These attitudes often stem from their inability to form relationships. The struggle came first, and the resentment followed. They aren’t without sex and relationships because they’re inherently hateful people; rather, the hatred emerges from prolonged frustration and rejection.
In most cases, I believe the inability to get into relationships is less about character and more about factors like social awkwardness, lack of friends, poor hygiene, unfortunate genetics, spending too much time online or gaming, etc.
I don’t think that’s fair. It’s not just sex they are after; they want a relationship but are unable to get into one.
Depends on which definition you go by, I guess. I prefer the literal meaning of the word; involuntary celibate. A person who is celibate against their own will.
Well not really. Those are different things. Black pill is about how you think, while incel is about what you are.
It’s what they wanted to do at that time then. Why else would they do it? I mean really, think about it. Why would you choose to do something like that other than it’s what you felt like doing at the time.
I have a bad habit of biting my nails. It would be correct to say that it’s something I do despite not wanting to but that wouldn’t exactly be true because when I catch myself about to do it and I resists, it’s hard because I really want to do it despite knowing I shouldn’t.
It’s more like the person I want to be being in conflict with the person I actually am.
I’m glad they do as that’s the only way I access those platforms. Same applies for twitter. Using an app means I can’t block ads.
People don’t do stuff they don’t want to to because they couldn’t think of anything better to do. If you decide to just stay in and lay in bed because you couldn’t think of anything better to do then laying in bed is what you preferred to do above everything else, otherwise you’d be doing something else.
The argument in the title is essentially an argument against free will. Involuntary actions are outside of your control and are thus for evidence of free will. Stubbing your toe is not something you chose to do. It’s a thing that happened to you.
These terms are usually used when talking about the dating scene and they originate from the movie Matrix where taking the blue pill means you’ll stay blissfully ignorant where as red pill means seeing the harsh reality of the world. In dating contex this usually means the idea that women only want rich and high status men who are over 6 feet tall, muscular and have a huge dick and if you want a quality mate you need to achieve these things one way or another.
Black pill just takes this one step further. It’s basically like going from determinism to fatalism meaning that since you didn’t win the genetic lottery there’s nothing you can do about it so just accept the fact that this is going to be your life untill you die.
Well I don’t believe in free will so in my view what ever you do is because you couldn’t have done otherwise. In that sense you “have to” do everything that you do because doing something else would mean breaking free from the laws of physics and deterministic universe.
Whay ever makes someone do the thing in the first place is what would make them do it again, and again, and again no matter how many times they rewind the clock and try again. You’d need to be able to change the order of the universe to break free from the causal chain.
No, I disagree. I didn’t choose not to start smoking. I simply never developed the desire to start. It’s not something I decided against my natural preferences.
It’s besides the point anyway. Even if I could choose to do or not do something it would still be about what I want which aligns with the title of the post.
You can’t do something you don’t want unless someone makes you do it. Even if you do something like go to the gym despite not wanting there’s a greater want behind it that’s pushing you to do it. In this case getting healthy and fit. This means you do want to go to the gym, you just don’t like it.
Either you have to or you want to.
Having a phobia is not something people chose to have, so no freedom there. If a person is afraid of spiders they then want to avoid them at all costs. That aligns with the statement in the title.
You didn’t just choose to not like them, though. That’s not how human psychology works.
You think the white supermacists would vote Kamala / Hillary / Biden rather than Kanye?
Another one of Trump’s core demographics is the religious christians too, despite Trump not having a religious bone in his body.