What would you say if I told you… that “I don’t know the answer to that one”!!!

I’m not into it nearly as deep as you are saying - don’t worry. I did get a bit triggered, bc basically it sounds like a parent smacking their child, then getting mad that when they go to smack them again, they shy away. It’s abusive, and demeaning, and toxic AF. And then after all that, to blame the victim, as if they were the ones in the wrong, fuck yeah it bothers me to read that.

There’s hope in the world - please don’t kill yourself, and yes going outside can help. Maybe leaving the toxic situation can help as well, but also there’s a time & a place for such, e.g. a toddler cannot no matter how much they may want to. In any case, a journey of a thousand miles does not begin with a single step, but rather with figuring out where you need to go, and then a route from here to there.

A perfect example is Biden stepping down. He may have wanted to have been President so very bad… but it would have hurt us all if he tried and failed, so I respect him so very much for his willingness to be honest about the situation. Toxic negativity is wrong, but so too is toxic positivity as well. Honesty and realism are better goals to shoot for - and he was willing to consider that, if not at first then at least eventually. And now, as a result, there’s real hope for the next election. More so than there was at any rate.

But also, not all of life is sunshine and rainbows, so if someone were to be a bit depressed, then yeah you gotta fight it - bc what other choice do we have, you know? as you said - but also, I’m not going to blame someone for seeing depressing things and then being depressed. That’s the identical same thought process as blaming someone for being born poor, or like black or a woman (or man) or something - it’s not something you can simply decide to become, but at least when it first happens it is something done to you, the circumstances I mean.

TLDR: I was triggered by what looked like victim blaming mentality, bc it’s so extremely fucking toxic.

Some of the saddest parts of this is how they don’t even see their being racist - “just work harder”, as if someone especially with a black sounding name can easily get even so much as a call-back. Meanwhile little Richard Conner the IIIrd is somehow a VP at daddy/uncle’s company despite being 17 years old and doesn’t know how to spell his own name.

It is the human condition to lie to ourselves, but damn that hurts so many, plus humiliates the receivers but is especially damning to the givers… and those collaborators who help force it upon everyone.:-(

No… only men are that dumb.

I’m kidding - of course it depends on the person, regardless of gender! :-P

It’s fine to think it’s weird. It’s part of the process of growth (of ideas I mean, nothing to do with your own age). Continue to think about it though, and it won’t be weird anymore. (I know… it sounds “weird” for me to say that?:-P)

And on the other side of that, you will find something MUCH better - that women are people, almost literally exactly like you are. Except not precisely bc duh differences exist -but also yes, just as there are short or tall or medium sized men, there are people who are men, and there are people who are women. And we all shit. 😂

You were lifting up women as being “special” somehow - which is part of the mystery, and girls literally play into that by attempting to hold back farts, belches, etc. (and guys do the same, getting high-paying jobs, driving sports cars, wearing toupets to cover bald spots, pretending to have confidence while hiding their true feelings, which is really quite damaging but that’s the game and if you don’t play then you absolutely lose, etc.) - but an even deeper mystery awaits on the other side of that, realizing just how equal they are, even despite how you had a crush on them. Like, that wasn’t a doll that you liked, it was a person… who is full of so many more surprises and wonders (and farts and yes literal shit too, until it comes out and goes into the toilet:-). And I daresay that you would be quite incapable of loving a “person” so long as you continued to think of them as a “doll”, but now that you realize this, you can actually, TRULY love someone.

Btw, don’t be tempted to get too down over this. Some people have been married for years and years before they figure this out - not that “everyone poops”, bc that you figure out quite quickly, you know?:-P - but bc life can get busy, and leave you not that much time to think (there’s school, maybe college, maybe grad school, there’s work, there’s kids, it’s all A LOT!), some people in the past could get quite far into a marriage without ever fully realizing the full impact of what this means; that women are full-on people too. So, if you have time to think, and the willingness to do so, think about it, and see where that takes you.:-) 😉

You can see for yourself that slinging accusations at others is only making it worse. In the real world, people have made all kinds of allowances for you (you didn’t have to ask, they’ve done it since birth), but on the internet, nobody can see things like your age, your religion, what part of the world you are from, how sexually (in-)experienced you are, your privilege (wealth, class, etc.) status, and so much more. And here, people can be brutally honest, at least in sharing what they think of you (even if their own belief structures are themselves based on lies). TLDR: people downvote things that they “don’t like”, and upvote things that they “do like”.

Your comment obviously does not match the “vibe” of !ShowerThoughts@lemmy.world… so, you did not predict that, but now you know - thus you are already smarter than you were just an hour before, or at least could be if you take the feedback to heart:-).

If you want more advice: hold fast to whatever principles you believe in - maybe Truth? perhaps Humility? do you perchance enjoy vindictiveness, or do you hate it, especially if it is done to you in reverse? Whatever those are, then there you go: you don’t need me telling you what to do - you already know.

Btw, I hope my words also expose how you were being hypocritical in sharing your original thought. But if it will help I will lay it out more plainly & transparently: girls do something totally normal, but you (arbitrarily?) decide that it is “bad”, so now “Women have been ruined for me” (it’s your thought fine, but how do you think “women” feel after reading that?) - do you not see how that is exactly what others are doing to you right now (having decided that what you did is “bad”, and now slinging insults at you - that part of this exchange you do not seem to enjoy quite as much?). This isn’t even a religious principle, it’s a foundational law of the entire universe - equivalent exchange, or whatever name you want to call it by - if you cannot receive something directed back at you, then perhaps do not dish it out at others in return? It is unkind, and what is more, it is not smart. Perhaps your family never taught you that - maybe they tried, or perhaps they did not know themselves - but now that you have heard this message, it is your choice what to do with it: either pay attention and learn, or reject it and continue to do whatever.

I… HOPE they were joking!? :-P

It helps to remember that girls are people. This video explains the secrets though (yes it’s the infamous CollegeHumor skit, which apparently needs to make the rounds again:-P).

Pro-Tip: even guys that don’t belch and fart and spit and pick their nose and scratch their balls or pits and stuff literally everywhere they go without holding back can also look just as classy too:-). Also, again even as a guy, consider wearing an undershirt to not show nipples.

It’s not about girl vs. guy, it’s about classy vs. not.

Don’t argue back - just do whatever you want, but you asked the entire Fediverse and I answered.

Strange that when the options are life vs. death, and Putin is rather known for genocide, that you invent a third option - an impossible one at that! - and then attempt to ridicule me for saying it (when in fact I never did), bc surely I could not possibly have meant that someone could ever be killed, by the likes of sweet, lovable, adorable Pootie?

I suppose you either get it or you do not - oh well maybe next time we’ll see more eye-to-eye.

growing “old” is also optional too

- some people, sadly

(e.g. Putin, and anyone listening to his propaganda, whether they realize it or not)

If a child sneaks away from home to receive a vaccine and LIVES, despite every action taken by their parents/grandparents generation to attempt to prevent their receiving such “necessary” healthcare provisions… then I am not going to blame the child for being depressed about the very real, very scary, very tragic predicament that they find themselves in.

Trump almost won, he may win again, and this time he said (there is video evidence of him doing it) that it will be the last time that anyone needs to vote, ever again; or in the UK Brexit has already happened, and there’s no coming back from that, especially as the more time passes - the UK is simply out of the loop now, and falls further so with every year that passes (even if they rejoin now, who will manage to “forget” what happened before? like an abusive husband, they revealed who they are).

And don’t even get me started on the issue of the kid diddling - a couple years ago a huge scandal involving I think it was thousands of pastors in the southern Baptist organizations across mostly the southern states in the USA, and as always, more than it happening the scandal was the cover-ups afterwards.

What is wrong with you if you think that their depression is a by-product of their “immaturity”? Unlike the olds who are willing to look the other way as their literal children are being physically raped, and worse yet society itself crumbling apart, with democracy hanging by a subjective thread, they at least are willing to READ SOMETHING - a book, an article, or watch the actual debate where Trump blabbers like a child at how big his crowd sizes are, and how toilets don’t flush as well anymore, etc., then goes off on a tangent about people wanting to eat cats and dogs or whatnot. Plus, has anyone looked outside at the weather in the last month…?

“gee golly willickers, I sure would like to be moar like Russia, boy-howdy!” /s

Age isn’t a magic wand that should decide any argument, either pro or con; rather, upholding standards of factual TRUTH should be the goal. imho at least, so sadly I am literally in the minority here, as measured by the electoral college at least. But I will agree with you insofar as it is a fucking tragedy that kids, sometimes literal toddlers, somehow know more than the older generations that have the entirety of the internet to call upon, yet refuses to read anything that doesn’t get pushed onto them by someone with an agenda to do so FaceBook - indeed there is a lot of “immaturity” involved here, though I am not prepared to blame the youths, rather than the olds who quite frankly should have known better, having a lifetime of experience to draw upon but willfully deciding to ignore all of that in favor of “comfort” (yet nonetheless, still willing to go out and perform a vote that will end up killing some of their kids).:-(

Get with the times, now it’s jeans.

No wait, it’s now… Nope, already changed, it’s back to beans again, carry on.

He seems to think like a mathematician or philosopher and enjoyed considering each of those items separately, in isolation from one another - plus as a YouTuber, he needs to release moar content, moar often, so multiple videos helps him maintain his existence that way as opposed to a single, larger video, especially on a complex topic that since it is >1 minute long, the vast majority of people are not going to watch anyway.:-P

But anyway, if he’s already mathematically proved certain things about e.g. ranked-choice, and how it differs from whatever else, then why should he bother going further into the weeds, that the vast majority of people don’t care the tiniest bit about? After all, a look at basically every election ever, especially recently, reveals that the common people know next to nothing about how the system works. e.g. people voting against Hillary Clinton in 2016, either by voting 3rd party, or switching to the “Never Hillary” movement to actively vote for Trump, but then being shocked - shocked I tell you! SHOOKETH! - when he won. So if we can’t figure out that 1+1=2, then differential calculus, much less simple algebra, is going to be beyond us (collectively) as well.

So, I took it as not that he refused to consider those other possibilities, just that he was focusing his description to explain one thing in isolation of other concepts, as much as possible at least. e.g. regardless of whether he should have been talking about (or naming it as) FPTP, that’s what he was aiming to do, so that’s what he did.

About the Rules for Rulers I think similarly as above but also: the “rulers” there aren’t necessarily the ones in charge, as is true for the monarchies & totalitarian regimes, but rather the “voters” who put those people in charge. In that formulation, why should the non-voters (e.g. literal children, people who are mentally disabled, etc.) have power over & above that of the voters, i.e. the responsible “rulers”?

Although that is exactly what always ends up happening… eventually, in any such system. Imagine a person who votes, individually, but then also is responsible for gerrymandering a district of lets say a million people. So they should have had power equal to 1/1000000, though instead they overturned the decisions of those million people and single-handedly altered the election, FAR in excess of their individual voting power. They cannot overturn the collective weight of a full million voters all speaking with a single unified voice… but they could make a vote for e.g. 1/10th vs. 9/10ths end up with the former rather than the latter being in charge, which is pretty damn powerful (it doesn’t have to be “perfect”, it just has to work - possibly in conjunction with other things like removing certain classes of people as voters). So here, irl rather than in pure theory in isolation of irl considerations, “rulers” end up NOT being the voters, but rather those in charge b/c they are willing to cheat the system, to keep themselves in charge or at least others exactly like them, using non-voting schemes. i.e. it is the True Rulers™ who are “in charge” rather than the voting ones, who were put into place by non-voting systems, so the entire system gets turned upon its head and does if not 100% then still effectively the opposite of what it was originally intended to - that is, it ignores/overturns votes rather than uses them to determine the outcomes of elections.

So if we, the aspiring rulers i.e. voters, wish to actually rule, then we need to know what we are up against. And if others cheat… well then that does not mean that we have to as well, but we should at least be aware that that is what is going on!?! To some degree at least, even if not 100%, hence it is “biased” and “unfair” and “rigged”. That is what I took from those videos, collectively.

An aspect he completely ignores in favour of spreadsheet thinking.

That’s bc he explains each concept mostly in isolation of others, leaving other concepts for separate videos themselves. But in e.g. Rules for Rulers, he very much discusses power dynamics. And I thought he had another one - in addition to the more mathematical one - illustrating FPTP using the animal kingdom, where technically people might assume one thing to be true, but based on power dynamics in practice it never is.

So watch Rules for Rulers yet if you haven’t - it may change literally everything about your understanding, as it did mine.

Edit - references:

1. FPTP explanained mathematically

2. gerrymandering explained separately

3. rules for Rulers, outlining necessary considerations involved with any path forward - i.e. it works against anyone and especially those who ignore this principle

Especially if you ram that not-door long, hard, deep, and strong enough, really get up in there and penetrate that wall. If you run out of steam you could even switch to an electric appliance, but in that case be gentle (though not too gentle…).

Um… I’m not sure where this is going, and at this point I’m afraid to continue? 😔

We are told to be angry, and that spills out in every possible way.

Wanting us to become fiscally responsible, like not get into new wars into we’ve paid off previous ones? i.e. pay less money to the rich via the Military Industrial complex?

Wanting to tax the wealthy?

Wanting to redistribute money to take care of the poor?

Yeah, obviously evil indeed 😂 (from the POV of “I got mine, now I’m pulling up the ladder🪜”).

Wouldn’t we love to see Space Karen’s reaction…?