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  • I mean, sure but Dems only really have a chance because Republicans continue to run the shuttiest candidates imaginable. That is absolutely true

    Like, Obama won partly because McCain chose to run with Palin. It’s not the only reason he won, but it’s silly to think it wasn’t a major factor - especially considering everything we know about white American voters, that’s been made just as clear as it ever could be. I bet it was a tough decision for some/many Americans

    I’ve always wished I could feel like the choice in a general election was a hard decision, but alas I’m working class and brown (and believe in science)


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    5 days ago

    Do those goalposts have little feet on them?

    “Democrats wouldn’t do this”

    Democrats do this

    “No, not like that”

    Look, I said it in a dumb meme format so you know it’s true

    (I appreciate you for posting here, just making fun of you 😊)





  • Dude, I didn’t say most of what you’re assuming I said. It’s weird what you’re doing. We’re not convincing each other of anything. The idea is to try and understand each other. I’m not going to engage with the original convo anymore because it’s not fruitful. Now, I’m more interested in the poor/lack of communication going on.

    I mean, you wrote a whole lot in response to my saying “you’re not understanding me” with a defensive rant about how you are actually understanding me, I just can’t tell or am lying to you. I’ll say it once more. You’re not understanding me or what I’m trying to convey. I’ll accept my part in failing to communicate but it takes two… to u know not assume an entire thesis about what the other is sayinf

    I personally would never criticize people doing what you’re doing (not voting/voting third party). I disagree with it, but do your thing. I tend to criticize the Dems so it’s wild you think I was saying Biden shouldn’t drop out. You’re saying legit silly things and it only makes sense to you and maybe people that already agree with you. I mean, you didn’t even answer the one question I asked, about what happens after the election, and you now you’ve jumped to thinking I’m against everything you stand for or something. That’s wild bro!

    This is what frustrates me most. I disagreed with one thing you said, and you went nuclear like I’m basically your number one enemy. It’s like you’d prefer to be all alone and/or have less allies.

    I honestly care a bit less about politics since realizing most of us can’t even have a very basic, low-stakes conversation about what each person thinks. I mean, if we don’t truly understand what the other is saying what’s the point?


  • Fair enough. We’re talking past each other at this point and I don’t really feel like repeating myself.

    I disagree with the movement’s strategy, and lack thereof, and I disagree with your entire first paragraph. There is absolutely a lot to lose and it’s beyond frustrating and disrespectful for someone like you to say there isn’t. I’d implore you to think about even just one negative outcome that could occur because of your movement’s lack of consideration for their fellow citizens.

    That said, I’d bet decent money you’re not a Muslim-American, that could be banned from visiting their family in a foreign country, or a Mexican-American that might be at risk of being deported/their family being deported, etc. My guess is you’ll be just fine no matter what happens and you don’t really care about the people that could suffer most due to your reactionary political goals.


  • Sorry, that didn’t answer my main question at all.

    I understand what the movements goals are. I’m not interested in discussing the strategy.

    My thinking goes like this, say the movement is a major success. And she tries to call your bluff (again lack of a better phrase here) and the movement true to its word and values succeed in being the deciding vote, let’s say. What are the possible results? There’s likely more than two but the obvious groups are either she loses or she wins. My question is then what?

    She either won without the movement kinda giving them a political w and proving their power all while demoralizing folks that get invested. Or, she loses and the movement is blamed and scapegoated as the sole reason she lost and whole lot else.

    I’m wondering about what folks in this movement think will happen after the election. Are we ready for the worst-caae scenario?


  • I’ll be honest and say I don’t understand her reasoning and it baffles me

    But regardless, so she didn’t do that. Balls back in our court. Help me understand. What’s the next play? I see people saying they won’t vote for her. I and most people here can totally respect that, but it clearly seems naive and shortsighted to a lot of others at best (no disrespect to the movement), and a legit threat to all the things we’re supposedly aligned on, at worst

    The movement seems to be messaging, “do the right thing on this issue or else we won’t vote for you.” But, she’s basically “calling the bluff”. She thinks it’s all smoke or insignificant. Well, will people actually stay home? If not, what are they doing but looking weak and hypocritical? If yes, then what are they planning on doing next if she loses?

    I think we have to at least agree that these issues/actions divide us. And that means it weakens us. That means many of us are willingly weakening the movements they claim to support, or allowing our movements to be weakened. There are many ongoing movements and instead of building bridges we’re actively silo’ing ourselves and engaging in antagonist behavior towards each other. Let me know if that’s an unfair characterization - of course, I have the recent division with black folks in mind.

    To me, this is the part I struggle with the most, the seemingly sanctimonious disregard for meaningful, tangible change over support for say, real progressive legislation that gives power back to the people instead of corporations and the rich (but I see how this is my number one issue and it clearly isnt for others).

    All that said, you certainly won’t ever catch me shouting down genocide protesters or making fun of them. I think it’s noble as fuck. And that shit was one of the tackiest thing I’ve ever seen liberal voters do

    Sorry, that got long 😁 this is all so frustrating





  • And I’m picking most of them out!

    …unless I’m with a pretty girl… and I have a chance… or I’m in literally any other kind of social setting where I might feel uncomfortable and uncool

    That said, I finally had a chance to try White Castle this year and purposely ate a couple sliders the way they came. Not bad. Oniony as hell, but I kinda get it. They were so well cooked it was almost like a sauce


  • You’re definitely not wrong that hurting profits is good leverage. It might actually be the best tool we have

    I don’t remember where I heard it recently, but we really need to bring back the slogan “no taxation without representation”

    Millennials barely have representation and gen z has maybe one representative. The US was legit founded by mostly young people. It’s nuts to see the contrast to today. It’s not even exaggerating to say this nation hates it’s younger citizens

    Edit: grammars


  • Would that work for literally anything we/nations use government for though?

    “The government won’t prevent companies polluting the environment, so just assume it’s every individual citizen’s responsibility” “the gov won’t ensure food is safe to eat, so just follow these tiktok channels because it’s ultimately your responsibility to know what companies are putting in the food you eat” or “the gov won’t protect consumers from unfair business practices so just don’t support companies that are have a monopoly in your area” (this last one clearly ain’t working and consumers clearly can’t do anything; thinking of Comcast or Ticketmaster here). Personally, I think the EPA, FDA and antitrust laws are as necessary as any other basic laws (along with people to enforce those laws).

    People making the claim that we don’t need government intervention, or saying private citizens should be held responsible, for government-sanctioned practices are either delusional/willfully ignorant or fake actors trying to shift responsibility from the government which literally has the power to enact legislation.

    Imo, the biggest responsibility citizens have is to hold their government accountable. Most Americans legit think all politicians are evil and stupid which really just goes to show that they can’t tell the difference between someone trying to fight for companies to pay fair overtime/holiday pay and someone fighting for us to invest in another war err I mean defense



  • Wait, so are there other politics instances? There isn’t just the one?

    I seem to get subs/instances for other communities that aren’t from lemmy.world but only one politics community.

    If there’s another one that’d be great. I just realized the guy I reported is still commenting there while I was banned for 3 days. I kinda don’t really feel like returning there if that’s how they choose to run it.