That’s often the point of riding two abreast. If you are riding one at a time and on the edge of the lane then cars will often try and overtake you without leaving the lane, or at least a minimal amount. That leads to very dangerous close passes.

If you ride side by side or in the middle of the lane if alone, then generally the times you get passed by cars are much safer as if going fully into the other lane already they tend to give you enough space.

This would depend on the drivers in your area, but with the shitty Sydney drivers I learnt quickly to hold the lane unless it was a safe place for them to pass.

Also, because traffic is a thing it’s very rare that I don’t end up right behind whatever car passed me at the next traffic light, safer passes don’t really cost much time for the driver once traffic is accounted for

Yeah, I’m learning on an old mini, which is a great car to learn on because they made basically the same car for 40 years and it’s one of the most heavily produced cars of all time. I can buy every part for it for a reasonable price from one of 15 online retailers, about 5 of which are in Australia. However, if that wasn’t the case it would be quite a bad thing to learn on because you’d just spend all your time chasing parts.

Something like that, an old Toyota or a bug would be a good car to learn on

For YouTube stuff, d3sshooter is pretty good. He’s an older bloke that really knows his stuff and does detailed videos about how to do specific jobs on his cars (e.g. I followed his video when putting together the hubs for my mini). This is also a more expensive way to do it, but restoring an old car isn’t a bad way to go. You’ll learn a hell of a lot from it and they’re a bit simpler and more approachable than a newer car

Over the past 5 years the monthly road deaths here in aus have been going up, because of the prevalence of those massive cars

Not mostly, mostly consumer preferences. You wouldn’t be able to sell them and it’d just be wasteful

In this case it’s because if you raised them no-one would want to buy them. The egg laying breeds are a lot tougher and have a lot less meet than the ones bred for meat. They also cost more per amount of meat in the end.

The simple fact is that people don’t want to buy that, so it’d just be wasteful to grow them out.

Ah yes, let’s take the low life area and make it 0 life

Yep, this is me too. I absolutely hate car centric city infrastructure… But am also restoring a classic mini. They’re a cool piece of engineering, just a shit way to transport lots of people

It’s not happening as much at the moment. That tends to happen as people buy houses, have family and feel comfortable. All of that is happening less for the younger generations than those that came before them so they aren’t going as conservative as they age

It’s both. The way the first commenter used it was unambiguously “they’re a fucking shit person”. There has to be a qualifier for it to be positive.

But the same applies for the other workarounds mentioned doesn’t it?

That could well be a poor translation of shady

Ute is also body on frame (in aus at least) but I would still call the oversized emotional support vehicles trucks instead of utes. That being said, most single cab utes have a bigger bed than a truck like an f150.