I prefer “list” view over grid view. Switching to grid view shows six videos before the break, but significantly less information about the video.
I prefer “list” view over grid view. Switching to grid view shows six videos before the break, but significantly less information about the video.
How is it that such a shitty site/corporation has continued to maintain a grip on this market? Why aren’t we inundated with viable alternatives?
Hosting video is expensive?
That’s basically it. The only potential competitor is Twitch, but even then Amazon only really gets into free streaming content.
Google has cheap hosting costs and the best ad market in the industry. The only non-porn competitors either charge the uploader to host or charge the user to watch.
Yeah. Everyone thinks it’s easy to just “setup a YouTube”.
I support nebula which is a subscription service with some good creators. And because “fuck shorts and clickbait titles/thumbnails”.
Being free is a huge part of it too. For better and worse.
Nebula is making good inroads. It’s well positioned to (eventually) make a shift from “YouTube parasite” to “YouTube alternative”.
Week by week it becomes more and more enticing. Most creators I watch are on it as well so I wouldn’t really lose much.
I don’t see it as YouTube parasite so much as the next step up for creators on the monetization chain.
I’m not saying it being a YouTube parasite is a BAD thing. But as long as it’s primarily getting it’s views from people who started watching on YouTube first, “parasite” is an apt description.
Also fighting copyright claims from the music and movie industry is even more expensive and difficult.
Microsoft (with their Azure) has more than enough storage space. They got CDNs and video streaming technologies (that anyone can use in their own products). But they’ve still given up their own music streaming service and public video upload service.
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Because it has all the good content. The creators are what makes watching YouTube so fun, not the site itself.
there’s peertube and odyssey but idk how viable either of them are long term. peertube at least is decentralized, not sure if odyssey is too or not
i know Louis Rossmann also posts on Odyssey
You mean “Odysee,” I guess?
…Hey, browsing the “Home” and “Featured” categories, there are a couple of other Youtubers I recognize! Not many, but a few:
yep, sorry i did mean Odysee. I’m glad some creators you follow are on it. i follow Veritasium too, very cool that he’s on there!
edit: a big issue for me when it comes to peertube and odysee is that in my experience it has been way easier to stumble on conspiracy theories and far right weirdos on them than it is even on youtube. for example, a few of the comments on the most recent Veritasium video on Odysee contain homophobia. a while ago i watched a video from the Majority Report with Sam Seder on Odysee and the only comment on the video was someone saying a popular trans Tiktok creator deserved the abuse and negative attention she was getting by implying that all lgbtq+ people are p*dophiles, which is a completely fucked and cruel thing to say. idk i’m usually pretty hesitant to use Odysee or Peertube or recommend them to most people because of that stuff. ideally they’d become more mainstream so that the edge cases are less noticeable, i just don’t know how likely that is to happen any time soon because i think people are more likely to stick with what’s familiar and what has established platforms. but maybe this thread isn’t the most relevant place to ramble about this, i don’t want to derail into political stuff.
I agree that becoming too associated with nazi trolls (which are uniquely a problem in a way that even other sorts of extremists are not, because of the paradox of tolerance) is a huge danger to nascent platforms. I’m not sure what to do about it either, except maybe to continue trying to promote the platforms even despite the risk of offending them in hopes that they can grow faster than they lose reputation. And in the case of Peertube, defederating from instances hosting hateful content, I guess.
By the way, this…
…is actually an understatement. What they’re actually doing is engaging in the equivalent of blood libel and trying to incite a pogrom.
thanks, i didn’t have sufficient vocabulary to describe before. But I mean the Tiktok creator was they were talking about in the video was Dylan Mulvaney, whose big transgression in the eyes of these people was getting sent a can of Bud Light from Bud Light officially that had her face on it. She was being sent tons of death threats and, iirc, it started to overflow into her real life where she was being harassed irl and she became afraid to leave her home for a while, which is what the video mainly focused on. It just blew my mind that someone could have so little empathy as to suggest she deserved to be treated that way (and potentially worse if she hadn’t taken steps to protect herself) over something so small.
and as for what to do, i agree with you generally. it’s just that when i navigated to Veritasium’s most recent video on Odysee and saw the homophobia in the comments (which, btw, they must be obsessed with gay people cuz the video is totally unrelated to the subject?) i didn’t feel completely right not mentioning how many nazis there seem to be around on these platforms in case it puts anyone else off as much as it puts me off. Louis Rossman made a video fairly recently where he talked a bit about PeerTube and Odysee and he said something like, “I keep seeing people in my comments talk about hating Google and Youtube and wanting to move to another platform, but when I recommend PeerTube or Odysee they say there’s not enough content on them, or they don’t like the people on them: well you should pick one.” he went on - “right now these are essentially the only alternatives to Youtube and if you want a platform that is more respectful of consumers, viewers, and their privacy and rights in general, they’re basically your only options and you may have to just put up with the downsides for now.” Essentially going on to argue that more content creators will start posting on them when they see them as worth posting on, which would be when they have substantial enough userbases, and the prevalence of moderate and mainstream views would push away the extremists as has sometimes happened on other platforms, and that’s generally how I lean right now too. Those also may not have been his exact words, it’s been a little bit since I watched his video.
I would love if a leftist instance was created on PeerTube, heck I’d be happy with a moderate instance, but I have struggled so far to find one that seems what I at least would describe as well moderated.
Peertube works.