• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    Well you’re defending them.

    And it’s has nothing to do with my warnings. It has to do with the literal words he said out loud repeatedly.

    Now all you’re saying is American voters are ignorant and that’s somehow Kamala Harris’ fault. If they didn’t know what Trump had to say, they didn’t know what Harris had to say.

    Again not a good excuse.

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      5 days ago

      Here’s the thing man: It doesn’t matter one bit if you and I think they were terrible people for not voting Harris despite all the very valid reasons you have listed why they should have. (All of which I agree with.)

      Bottom line: Dems didn’t sell themselves to those voters in a way that worked. We can be outraged that it didn’t work, but it didn’t work.

      So, we can wring our hands about how awful our fellow man is for not seeing the clear moral imperative that we do (exactly like the Genocide-Joe folks have been doing for months), or we can recognize that Dems need to start doing things differently.

      Personally I’m of the opinion that unless they truly are just there to put up a token show of resistance against R while serving the same goals (and I’m not yet cynical enough to really believe that), they need to stop with this “let’s move to the right and try for some R votes” crap. It’s not getting them any R votes, and it’s clearly pissing off a lot of D. Edit: And it’s ratcheting the entire country rightward.

      In my 50+ years they have never really moved to the left for more than a brief teaser. Let’s see them seriously push for some Bernie or AOC crafted policies, etc. Some actual progressive fire. Stop treating the left like political suicide, and stop treating Republicans like they can be reasoned with.

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        4 days ago

        So, we can wring our hands about how awful our fellow man is for not seeing the clear moral imperative that we do (exactly like the Genocide-Joe folks have been doing for months), or we can recognize that Dems need to start doing things differently.

        no no, don’t you understand? the american voter is just too racist, because they voted for donald trump, so we just need to tack harder to the right, I mean the center, actually I do just mean the right. then, surely, they will vote for the democratic party in overwhelming, obama-era numbers.

    • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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      5 days ago

      I’m not defending them, I’m just explaining why that message didn’t land the way you think it should have.

      Most people think democrats are alarmist (and they often are), and even if they thought the threat was credible, they don’t think it would affect them.

      Call them dumb if you want, I don’t care, democrats didn’t do enough to turn them out either way.