Hey do anybody know where you get a tv that supports 4k and does not have that locked up smarttv shit?

If there are none, does anybody know a tv that boots fast(less than 30 seconds) and displays an hdmi input by default without the need to choose the input from a menu.

Thanks in advance.

And sorry if I am in the wrong place.

  • guyrocket@kbin.social
    4·
    11 months ago

    Does it bother anyone else to pay for all that “smartness” and then figure out how NOT to use it?

    How can consumers fight back against this bullshit?

    • Thorry84@feddit.nl
      3·
      11 months ago

      It bothers me a LOT!

      Especially when I don’t even use the smart shit, basically use it as a glorified monitor and the thing pops up a message “Our terms and conditions have changed”. I cannot use my fucking TV till I accept the new terms and if I refuse, the TV just turns off.

      It’s such bullshit! I own the TV, how can you change the terms and conditions after the fact? Can I change the terms and conditions? I know I paid $1000 for this TV, but I changed my mind, can you please give me back 250$. I altered the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.

      Same with my goddamned piece of shit phone. Here is a new software version, it will remove 3 features you love and use every day, drains your battery twice as fast and makes the whole thing slow. You can maybe hack shit till it doesn’t update automatically and only occasionally bugs you about it. But then you don’t get any security updates or compatibility fixes, so that’s not really a good option either. So you buy a new device every 2 years, even though it was perfectly fine.

      I know the EU is working on it, but I can’t wait for the day manufacturers are forced to provide at least 5-7 years of security/compatibility updates for devices, without also bundling feature updates. And be legally bound to the terms and conditions at the moment of sale, no changing the deal after it’s done.

    • Perfide@reddthat.com
      1·
      11 months ago

      It bothers me it’s so hard to find one that doesn’t include it, but it doesn’t feel like it’s bloating the price to me, if that’s what you mean. Besides the insistence on the smart shit, TV’s have constantly been getting better, bigger, and yet still cheaper.

      It’s unfortunate, but if anything the smart features are part of why they’re staying so cheap. The TV costs the same to make no matter what, but when every company under the sun is paying a fee to have their app baked into the tv, you don’t have to charge the end-user as much to make the same profit. Not to mention the treasure trove of data you can collect(and sell) from the ones who connect it to the internet.

      • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
        1·
        11 months ago

        This happens everywhere now.

        We had the garage doors replaced, and replaced the openers since they were also a couple decades old and a small part of the total cost. Every damned opener that wasnt bare-bones had smart features. Camera, motion detection, wifi… of course, none of it to any sort of standard, and requiring a special app and account with the vendor. Smart devices are fine - I want smart, to some standard like zwave - but I’ll be god damned if I’m going to make an account with Genie so they can track and sell my garage door use.

        Same thing with the dishwasher. The house being as old as it is, all the devices are hitting planned obsolecense at the same time. All the new dishwashers that have any decent features are smart. Again, with some shitty bespoke app, and requiring an account. This time, I got the damned thing and just haven’t installed the app or configured the wifi on it. Maybe it’s talking to one of the neighbor’s unsecured wifi networks; I guess I can live with that.

        We got lucky on the refrigerator (this time, something inside broke and leaked water into the underfloor for a week before we caught it). We got a model that had everything we wanted and didn’t have wifi.

        I read an article a few months ago about a conference where all these companies are bitching that people are buying these things and not connecting them; with any luck, they’ve been losing money on them and will stop adding smart features to everything. But I’m not holding my breath.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      1·
      11 months ago

      This is the answer every time this question comes up. You pay more because it doesn’t generate revenue by spying on you, but it doesn’t have all the bullshit cause it’s meant to be on during all biz hours showing store promos and the like.

  • ddonuts4@lemmy.world
    1·
    11 months ago

    Got a Sony Bravia OLED and it’s set up as a dumb TV, turns on instantly + I never see the Smart TV UI, not even a logo.

    What I did was decline everything at setup, hook up to the Internet via Ethernet once to update, unplug Ethernet and set it to turn on to last input.