The hippie movement was something like 1% of boomers… Maybe as high as 5%, but that’s doubtful
Most boomers spent the 60s beating the shit out of Civil Rights protestors and spitting on children because their schools were desegregated.
It’s just boomers want everyone to think they were cool so they lie about what they were like back then.
And they also lie and tell younger generations that they’ll also get racist, hateful, and stupid as they age. Yets facts don’t back that up.
Most boomers spent the 60s beating the shit out of Civil Rights protestors and spitting on children because their schools were desegregated.
I think that’s just a Southern thing. Living in the North, my grandparents never discussed beating the shit out of civil rights protesters. Nor did they spout overtly racist things.
They were prejudice, but it was more of a I’ve never seen anyone with that color skin and it’s different so I’m uncomfortable.
I had a very similar experience, didn’t think my family was racist at all until I got engaged. Northerners just hide it.
Northerners just don’t engage if it’s not in their backyard. It’s a lot easier since there is a lower density of POC.
100%. Grew up in the Northeast, never experienced true racism in my family until I met my Arkansas relatives.
Living in the North, my grandparents never discussed beating the shit out of civil rights protesters. Nor did they spout overtly racist things.
TBH when I hear someone say that about their parents (they didn’t say racist shit out loud) I take that to mean: they didn’t say that sort of stuff out loud.
I just think about that as a sort of Schrodinger’s Racism- there’s an unknown distribution of super-shitty racists out there in Yankeedom too, but they’re neither racist nor non-racist until they open their mouths about it in un-coded ways. That it’s more covert there than it is in other places doesn’t really tell us if it’s more or less prevalent, it could just be telling us that in Yankeedom the racists feel ever-so-slightly more inhibited about being out loud about it.
Oh wow…
Yeah if they never told their grandkids they were huge pieces of shit, they most not have been. That absolutely proves they were part of the 1% of that generation actually on the right side of history.
It’s not like as a generation they’ve spent 60 years lying about what they were like back then…
The thing about racist relatives is that they DO SPOUT THAT SHIT AT HOME. Where do you think kids hear it first?
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There is a good chance that exposure to more and more lead over time was what caused their generation to become more that way over time. They just assumed it was normal progression because it was happening to almost everyone. Not realizing there was something that could artificially cause that progression.
The kinds of changes in the brain caused by lead exposure do seem to line up with changes that would cause that behaviour. And even the people who stood to benefit financially from leaded gasoline decided it was a bad idea, so their own internal data must have been pretty damning to convince them to make less money.
Oh for sure, lead was 100% a factor.
We can “out think” implicit racism with critical thinking, but we lose that critical thinking ability as a normal part of aging.
Lead exposure fucks with critical thinking too, which compounds with aging.
The good part of that is implicit racism can be offset by just seeing people of other races, even if it’s only on TV. So just watching Family Matters or Sesame St is enough to prevent in groups from forming along racial lines.
So generations that came up watching Urkel are less likely to “become racist” as they age.
Which makes states like Alabama banning Sesame St because it was racially integrated even more nefarious and explains why those states still have higher rates of racism.
It makes you wonder if the trans movement is partially due to micro plastics.
I’ll assume you meant that in good faith.
If being trans is caused by microplastics, alright. They’re still not hurting anyone. If there is an environmental culprit, then hopefully conservatives would finally acknowledge that there is a biological process at work and it’s not a choice made by deviants or whatever.
Enby transfemme chiming in real quick:
- I highly doubt they meant that in good faith
- I also wouldn’t be shocked one way or another
I am not a biologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I have definitely read that there is an impact on sex hormone production from microplastics, and that our generation’s sex hormone production has changed (Decreased? I think?) without a solidly defined cause.
I also know that I’m basically sipping on a liquified styrofoam cup every time I drink my tap water.
That said, fuck, if microplastics were the only thing it took to make someone trans, I would be saving a lot on laser hair removal, doctors’ appointments, and E.
Not to mention saving time and misery on voice training.
So if microplastics are turning the friggin frogs gay and turning people trans, that doesn’t make trans people any less valid. If someone has PTSD because of foreign stimulous (a traumatic event) impacting their psyche, that doesn’t mean their PTSD doesn’t count.
If my ‘transness’ is somehow related to microplastics, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t count.
I know that you’re in agreement with me, definitely not directed at you. It’s just an interesting line of discussion, and you seem more interesting to have that conversation with than the person who just blanket blamed transgenderism on microplastics while providing zero context and comparing it to boomer lead poisoning.
When all is said and done, I’d rather be microplastic trans than a lead-induced bigot/mouthbreather.
There are so many quotes that I’ve seen, about how young people are more liberal, and as you get older, people tend to get more conservative.
… I’m an “elder” millennial… like, so early on in the millennial generation that I barely count as a millennial, myself and all my same-aged friends have pretty much been very liberal from a young age and I can confidently say, none of us have changed in this regard, despite all of us reaching 40.
All the shit they say about getting older and changing your mind might be true for some, but on the whole, it’s little more than someone flapping their jaw and making sounds. No basis in reality.
To give an easy example, all of my friends who are similarly aged, who attended college, have long since paid off any student loans we took out for college, even me, who did two diplomas (more than most) and had a difficult time getting into my field and earning a fair wage. Ask any of us about student loan forgiveness and we’re all supportive. Why punish a whole new generation of people just because we had to go through the terrible and broken system, and paid everything off ourselves? Why should they suffer like we did?
More than a few don’t even have children, so it’s not like their kids are going to see a benefit from it. Yet, we support it. Because that’s what we believe in.
I’m in my mid 50s now and I haven’t got more racist… I’ve got angrier that things that were wrong in my youth are still wrong now, angrier at politicians that claim to represent me spouting racist bullshit. But if anything I’m more left wing than I was, and I’m definitely more liberal than I was 10 years ago.
Ask any of us about student loan forgiveness and we’re all supportive. Why punish a whole new generation of people just because we had to go through the terrible and broken system
But this is what loan forgiveness would do. It would punish future generations by driving up prices even more. Loan forgiveness is a one time handout to whoever happens to owe at the time. It’s a “fuck you, I got mine” move
Loan forgiveness is just one example and I didn’t examine the topic in depth on purpose, but bluntly, loan forgiveness without reform in the system isn’t very meaningful, so when I’m referring to loan forgiveness, I’m not strictly just referring to forgiving existing loans; the topic should also include reform to the system to reduce or eliminate student loans for all future generations.
That context was beyond the scope of the original discussion. The fact that this was your take away, is very interesting to me, since it wasn’t really the point of the post.
In any case, I hope you have a good day, and good luck in life.
Than call it loan reform.
That may be the case for you, but it’s not even on the radar for most advocates of student loan forgiveness. You’re an outlier. That’s why it was my take away.
Most boomers did none of those things because most people were just living their lives.
Just how old do you think boomers were in the '60s? The generation didn’t start until the baby boom after WWII (hence the name), so the oldest were at most 25 years old at the end of the decade.
The boomers didn’t join the Silent Generation in the role of civil rights reactionaries until the '70s or '80s.
The teens and young 20 somethings in the 60s were the counter culture. You know, “don’t trust anyone over 30”. So they were boomers.
Exactly, which is why the comment I was responding to…
Most boomers spent the 60s beating the shit out of Civil Rights protestors and spitting on children because their schools were desegregated.
…was wrong.
Edit: to be clear, I’m not trying to say the boomers were good people! I’m just saying that the person I replied to had his timeline off because in the '60s, most of the boomers weren’t adults yet.
It’s correct in the South and parts of the Midwest (this stuff happened in the 80s and 90s too).
Still happening in a few southern areas.
Okay, let me try again:
It was happening in the ‘60s, but it was the boomers’ parents – the Silent Generation – perpetrating it because the boomers were still mostly teenagers at the time. The boomers didn’t spend the '60s spitting on children; the boomers spent the '60s being the children who were spit on.
There is no miscommunication here. We understand what you’re saying. Do you think that kids weren’t bullying each other? Those black kids walking into a formerly white school were NOT welcomed with open arms by their classmates.
Sure, the Boomers learned it from their parents, and probably weren’t nearly as bad as the Silents, but they were still pretty racist as a whole.
People just like using “boomer” as a euphemism for “old.” Same type of person as those who have used “millennial” as a euphemism for “young” for the past decade plus.
And boomer seems to be just any white person with grey hair. It’s not even referencing a specific generation. It’s just a catch all for ‘all the old, white people I don’t like who have the right to vote for things’
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This is pretty misleading. There was a mix of people good and bad, just like there is now. Plenty of racist and hateful millennials/zoomers as well that lean conservative. Each subsequent generation just likes to pat themselves on the backs and claim they’re better and more enlightened.
I don’t think they get more racist. They hide it less, the fuck it I’m old mentally.
No, they don’t get more racist, but they think that WE will.
They think older = more experience = more knowledgeable. Old people are more racist, therefore racism must be cause by being more knowledgeable.
In Spain we have a “miracle”: the day after Franco died everyone was fighting against Franco the day before. Even the ones in the government.
“Spain went to bed being francoist and woke up ‘lifelong democrats’”.
And this is the same. Everyone was hippy and embraced free live and all that… even if they voted for Nixon and were against ‘mixing races’.
The hippies I knew born in the 50s just wanted world peace and to stop racism. And wanted their pot to be legalized. And to listen to their rock and roll. And not have their books banned and have safe birth control….whoa, it’s like yesterday is today all over again.
There was also a lot more dangerous cults running all over.
boomer weren’t just white people. There was a lot of activism to end racism and to get unions in place.
Their way of protesting was insane too. People were setting themselves on fire and purposely starving themselves. Self harm was a form of protest. They weren’t lying about that.
I work in the trade industry. Most of these people are conservative boomers. The things these guys say are absolutely horrifying. It isnt just the older guys though. Its the blight of converativism. These dudes say things that sound like they should be said by someone 1000+ years ago or in Saudi Arabia or something. Im talking about not just racism, homophobia, mysoginy but also honor killings, reasons rape can be justified, flying into a blood rage because you feel another has offended your masculinity. Moving to rural America (even in the north) has been incredibly eye opening to how insanely backwards parts of our society is. You have no idea until you see it.
Casually mention that you’d no longer want to be referred to as “he/him but them/they” and watch the arteries burst lol
Ooohh, I know this one … it’s because they’re not in subject-verb agreement, right?
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I doubt most of the conservatives even really know.
what nationality are these boomers you are talking about? They all sound white and maybe from Texas or a small town that got caught in a time warp.
White, but in Vermont. I think my fellow Northerners get way too smug regarding the “backwards” south. Go outside urban areas in new rngland and youll see the same situation
World is bigger than just cis white people. Having an iota of awareness isn’t being ‘smug’. Boomers aren’t just white people you know.
I dont see how that defeats what i said? I live in the whitest state in the union. Probably a contribution to the racism i see is the lack of interaction with diverse communities. People in the north absolutely have a tendency to think we lre perfect up here and its only the south that has racism and bigotry. But its not remotely the case
The “trade” industry?
Trade (noun)
a skilled job, typically one requiring manual skills and special training.
“the fundamentals of the construction trade”
synonyms: craft, occupation, job, day job, career, profession, business, pursuit, living, livelihood, line, line of work, line of business, vocation, calling, walk of life, province, field, work, employment, métier
Usually someone who is in the trades calls it “the trades”. You never hear the term “trade industry” which is why I noted it
Yeah it was a little weird wording. Im not in the trades. Trying to be vague because internet, but while I work WITH plumbers and HVAC specialists, and have previously worked in the field, Im not one myself.
Gotcha
I’ve heard the term twice today actually.
How do you do, fellow workers?
And then there’s the wobblies!
Just because you feel that, doesn’t make it true.
There’s no real difference between boomers and anyone else. Still using the same wetware as every other human for 10k years.
There will be rapey boomers, rapey gen x, rapey millenials and rapey gen z.
For example, Andrew Fucking Tate and his regressive masculinity bollocks is extremely popular all over
Nearly eight in ten 16-17 year-old boys in the UK have watched Tate’s content
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/anti-toxic-masculinity-movement
as someone who lives in the UK, seeing Andrew Tate’s influence on kids is really depressing. those kids are gonna grow up as assholes not knowing any better
Yeah… but I think the question is: if Andrew Tate didn’t exist, how many of those assholes would be balanced well adjusted men. Not many.
good point
You don’t think role models affect how kids develop?
Of course they do, but my point is, how many kids with parents who are good role models are attracted to Tate?
When I was younger, I looked up to a guy who was a piece of shit like Andrew Tate. I started acting like him and treating people poorly. I lost good friends and relationships. I realized that I was losing them because I was being a piece of shit. So I stopped.
I guess my point is, even if someone is a piece of shit after looking up to Andrew Tate, they’re not hopeless.
PS: that guy ended up getting a girl pregnant accidentally. No idea where he is now, but I hope he’s not being a piece of shit to his kid.
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Lol, those kids are funny. They’ll be alright.
this made me want to game end
Just because some statistics show something like
Nearly eight in ten 16-17 year-old boys in the UK have watched Tate’s content
Doesn’t mean that every single one of those views were done in the same way.
I watched some crazy shit when I was 16 but I didn’t think Faces Of Death was anything more than entertainment.
You could just read the article I linked
Nearly eight in ten 16-17 year-old boys in the UK have watched Tate’s content, according to a survey by the anti-extremism group Hope Not Hate, with just over half viewing him in a positive light.
That is a seriously alarming number
Thank you, these threads get so frustrating. Every thread where boomers get mentioned, there’s so much hate, and a lot of questionable information. Younger generations have done so good about fighting intolerance, and have a lot of the credit for progress with women’s rights, LGBTQ+ rights, etc., but so many people seem completely comfortable making sweeping generalizations about boomers all being money grubbing misogynistic bigots. I don’t think this community would stand for it if people said “I can’t wait until they’re all dead” about any other group, but I see it regularly about boomers.
And a lot of the impressions are just wrong. Here’s a Pew research chart on the 2020 election demographics by age. Yes, it does show that there are more older Trump voters than older Biden voters, but take a look at the magnitude of the differences - it’s very small. Also notice that the difference between the number of younger Trump voters and younger Biden voters isn’t that great either.
People think all the older people are wearing MAGA hats and all the younger people are wearing pride shirts, but the reality is the amount that the age groups skew one way or the other isn’t that huge. There are tons of liberal older people (like me) and lots of conservative younger people.
The difference is what was considered acceptable. My father in law (who is an asshole) told a story about how they would make comments to a woman he worked with about her boobs. This was in the 70s. She didn’t have much choice but to put up with it. There was no HR to go to, or they wouldn’t care. So they kept doing it.
Nowadays people are a lot more cautious at work. I know it’s just one setting, but that’s a great example how things have changed generationally.
Not commenting on people’s appearance at work is an 80/90s thing.
Yup. Just to emphasize the point – the term “sexual harassment” didn’t exist in the 1960s as a legal term. It only really came about in the mid-1970s as a result of feminist lawyers applying ideas from civil-rights law to gender and the workplace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment#Etymology_and_history
And Rooshv is a genx. Brock Turner is millenial
You take weird showers my friend.
Took me a full sixty seconds to understand how OPs post made you think about a shower before I realized which community this was smh
Those boomers weren’t the free love boomers
Hippies and free love/swinger people were a very small minority that got a lot of press due to the sexual revolution.
There’s men in the 60s that are that way and men who aren’t. I’ve met plenty of misogynistic zoomers too but don’t classify the entire generation that way.
This is a very important perspective. Thanks for getting it out there.
The massive generalization in the post title deserves a downvote, honestly
It depends. Some people were literally using the counterculture movement as a sort of cover for their insanity, you’ve got people like Manson that were turning hippies into serial killers.
Then you’ve got the polar opposite, of actual hippies staying dirty hippies and not caring about anything that might be a bother to anyone. The worlds most innocuous and mild people after Buddhist monks maybe, assuming you don’t mind the smell of patchouli oil.
So, it’s a whole range of people, as usual. Any attempts to lump them all together into a group and apply a universal set of traits to that whole group is dangerous, mistaken and oversimplified.
Yeah, both aspects of the movement/culture were very real. It’s the same in the poly communities of today. You have people hiding behind the positive veneer of modern polyamory to abuse. You also have people so genuinely overflowing with love that they need at least two romantic partners to use up their normal level of romantic energy. And most people are somewhere in between those two extremes.
Maybe try not to make such sweeping generalisations.
That was specifically hippies, who strongly tend to be pacifistic and egalitarian. Find an old hippie that kept the philosophy, they’re interesting to talk to. Pre-marital sex among the general population did increase thanks to new and readily available forms of birth control, but I’d expect that people in the '90s were probably having more casual sex than people in the '60s. Remember, hippies were a minority.
Boomers in 1960 would have been, like, 15 years old at most. Remember that generation starts from the end of WW2 in the fall of 1945.
being a boomer was prolly pretty good deal if you were a white heterosexual dude
They’re the loudest about how the good old days were just so good, and old, and days.
As a tail end boomer, I spent the 60s watching sesame street, Hanna Barbara cartoons and attending kindergarten classes.
But dreaming about racism and destroying the environment for fun, right?
If you spent a decade attending kindergarten classes, then you may have an issue.
you gotta remember that the 60s had many different counter cultures and it wasn’t all just hippies. it’s also where conservatives like george will and paul weyrich came about.
Hippies were a small minority. They were just covered a lot by the media, but people seem to forget that Nixon won his re-election by a landslide.
how rape is defined has changed a lot too(in a good way to denounce and clarify away the apathetic fuzzy definitions that worked against victims of rape far too often)
And too many rapey songs. Not to say that 90s were any better. When rap really came into its own lots of misogyny is packed into the foundation. It used to be really cool to hate on women. I do not miss those days.
Used to be? You must be new to the internet.
I think you are. Because In comparison: They were trading pictures of rape on regular subs. And it was considered normal. I don’t see that happening on Reddit today nor on lemmy. There were a lot of things ‘normal’ 15 yrs ago that would be banned today.
They had two beat women subs that stayed up for years. They aren’t there now. So yeah: used to be.
Oh, well thank god misogyny is fixed.
You are sealioning.
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Oh, I’m not requesting that you justify your opinion. I simply disagree with you.
Used to be? I have some bad news for you, mate… Just look at how men react when women try to defend themselves in any public debate, especially online. Every men suddenly turns into a trans and every woman is called a TERF and dehumanised publicly. This shit is more out of control than ever!
You still have people active in the current politics, who voted against counting rape in marriage as such.
